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22:05 <@Boo> Anyone read about the UKs current voting about human-animal hybrids
22:05 <@mic> no 
22:06 <@mic> an actual vote? 
22:06 <@Boo> they refused to deny hybrids... they are working on the final bill, it appears
22:06 <@Boo> yea
22:06 <@Boo> also, they are backing "savior siblings"
22:06 <@mic> ok i'll ask .. what is "savior siblings"? 
22:07 <@Boo> if your kid has some sickness, they parents can preselect embryo traits...
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22:07 <@Boo> I mean traits for a second kid to have, all for the purpose of the umbilical blood
22:08 <@Boo> so it can be used for the first child... thus "saving" the first child
22:08 <@Boo> messed up
22:08 <@mic> nast
22:08 <@mic> y
22:08 <@mic> so the 2nd kids is grown simply for it's blood and 'traits'?
22:08 <@mic> so they can scavage it? 
22:08 <@Boo> yes
22:09 <@Boo> this from 04
22:09 <@Boo> One family in Britain, the Hashmis, had earlier received explicit permission from the HFEA to try and create a baby whose cord blood could be used to treat a sibling with the blood disorder, beta thallassaemia.
22:09 <@Boo> Another family, the Fletchers from Northern Ireland, are now hoping the procedure can be used to create a donor for their son, Joshua, who has a condition called Diamond Blackfan anaemia.
22:09 <@Boo> .... The HFEA says that in the past three years, some 300 healthy babies have been born in Europe and elsewhere that have undergone pre-implantation diagnosis - usually to screen out babies otherwise fated to suffer an inherited disease.
22:10 <@Boo> I see... to "screen out" a baby is what?? kill it?
22:10 <@mic> ya .. i would say that sounds better than "murder it or kill it"
22:11 <@mic> wicked
22:15 <@Boo> Leading the fight against so-called "admixed embryos", Tory MP Edward Leigh said the technique, which involves implanting a human nucleus inside an animal cell, was "a step too far".
22:15 <@Boo> Scientists believe that stem cells harvested from these embryos could provide the key to breakthroughs in the treatment of conditions such as Parkinson's disease, cystic fibrosis or muscular dystrophy. Research is currently being held up by the shortage of human eggs to create stem cells.
22:16 <@Boo> such bullshit... research is being held up because of a shortage of human eggs
22:16 <@mic> right
22:16 <@Boo> First of all, stem cells dont just appear from a lab
22:17 <@Boo> they are harvested from a baby
22:17 <@mic> yes
22:18 <@Boo> but its not enough to harvest them like a crop from humans... they need to make hybrids now
22:18 <@Boo> unreal
22:18 <@MadMarkus> "thank God for socialized medicine!", is that in order here?
22:19 <@mic> isn't that what Cam said? 
22:19 <@MadMarkus> yes
22:20 <@Wim> hugh
22:20 <@MadMarkus> what do you call something when the label "satanic mess", seems to fall short?
22:20 <@Wim> hi Dave mic and markus
22:20 <@Boo> oh, read this comment after a UK article on this
22:21 <@mic> hi Wim
22:21 <@Boo> Who decided that 'God's' design is perfect? So much suffering occurs in the world and it isn't right that people should suffer because religous zealots deam vital research to be un-natural. 
22:21 <@MadMarkus> hi Wim,
22:21 <@Boo> It is un-natural that someone should have to suffer so much in life when there could possibly be a way to cure them. Do we really have to go back to things like Jehovah's Witnesses refusing blood transfusions and thus dying because of their beliefs when they could easily be saved? 
22:21 <@Boo> And what would happen to the 'eggs' if they weren't donated to research, they just disappear. Something that would normally never exist could hold the key to saving so many lives.
22:21 <@mic> if they weren't donated to research???  so that isn't even an option
22:21 <@mic> nasty shit
22:22 <@Boo> nice, eh?
22:23 <@mic> no 
22:23 <@mic> and thing is .. it's gonna get worse
22:23 <@Wim> gives me the creeps
22:23 <@MadMarkus> when the body of sin,........